Comments on: What a speech, what an audience and what results! http://blogs.tol.org/conflicts/2008/05/02/what-a-speech-what-an-audience-and-what-results/ Frozen conflicts in the South Caucasus Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:27:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=wordpress-mu-1.1.1 By: jibs http://blogs.tol.org/conflicts/2008/05/02/what-a-speech-what-an-audience-and-what-results/#comment-2437 jibs Thu, 15 May 2008 16:22:33 +0000 http://blogs.tol.org/conflicts/2008/05/02/what-a-speech-what-an-audience-and-what-results/#comment-2437 Here is one very sensible article on Georgian-Akkhaz-Russian triangle by Thomas De Waal -- definitely worth a read, and certainly outside the usual articles stuffed with from "over the seas" myopic views. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121071707546389739.html Here is one very sensible article on Georgian-Akkhaz-Russian triangle by Thomas De Waal — definitely worth a read, and certainly outside the usual articles stuffed with from “over the seas” myopic views.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121071707546389739.html

]]> By: jibs http://blogs.tol.org/conflicts/2008/05/02/what-a-speech-what-an-audience-and-what-results/#comment-2399 jibs Wed, 14 May 2008 16:50:06 +0000 http://blogs.tol.org/conflicts/2008/05/02/what-a-speech-what-an-audience-and-what-results/#comment-2399 Like I wrote, two audiences: Georgian population and some bureucrats in EU and USA who have very little understanding of what is happening "over there". First, no one makes serious offers on a live TV broadcasting - for this you have official meetings, workgroups, close consultations, etc. And maybe afterwards, you announce the plans... Abkhaz and Georgian sides don't hold meetings for over 2 years now. Second, Abkhaz and South Ossetians don't exactly speak Georgian that well to comprehend Saakashvili's offers. Third, it is an obvious PR stunt to show the offer on the table which would throw into awe those EU and US officials who know little about "over there", and possibly give credit to the pre-election promises to resolve the conflict "within months". Shortly a trite PR effort. I wonder if anyone truly believes in these re-used and re-cycled tricks... One thing I have yet to understand is why Alasania -- once Saakashvili's representative to Abkhaz negotiations -- was sent to UN? This guy is an acceptable figure for the Abkhaz and was rather successful in talking to them. Yet, when he actually achieved something, he was removed... truly strange... Like I wrote, two audiences: Georgian population and some bureucrats in EU and USA who have very little understanding of what is happening “over there”.

First, no one makes serious offers on a live TV broadcasting - for this you have official meetings, workgroups, close consultations, etc. And maybe afterwards, you announce the plans… Abkhaz and Georgian sides don’t hold meetings for over 2 years now.

Second, Abkhaz and South Ossetians don’t exactly speak Georgian that well to comprehend Saakashvili’s offers.

Third, it is an obvious PR stunt to show the offer on the table which would throw into awe those EU and US officials who know little about “over there”, and possibly give credit to the pre-election promises to resolve the conflict “within months”.

Shortly a trite PR effort. I wonder if anyone truly believes in these re-used and re-cycled tricks…

One thing I have yet to understand is why Alasania — once Saakashvili’s representative to Abkhaz negotiations — was sent to UN? This guy is an acceptable figure for the Abkhaz and was rather successful in talking to them. Yet, when he actually achieved something, he was removed… truly strange…

]]> By: Medea http://blogs.tol.org/conflicts/2008/05/02/what-a-speech-what-an-audience-and-what-results/#comment-2393 Medea Wed, 14 May 2008 13:55:09 +0000 http://blogs.tol.org/conflicts/2008/05/02/what-a-speech-what-an-audience-and-what-results/#comment-2393 So, is there really anyone listening to Saakashvili’s address? I would reply to your question that, in my opinion, not many in Georgian controlled areas listen and believe in President, let alone Abkhazians and Ossetians in breakaway regions. Have you ever heard of peace deal offered from TV? Especially in a circumstances where Georgian TV Channels are not broadcasted in Abkhazia and South Ossetia? So, is there really anyone listening to Saakashvili’s address?

I would reply to your question that, in my opinion, not many in Georgian controlled areas listen and believe in President, let alone Abkhazians and Ossetians in breakaway regions. Have you ever heard of peace deal offered from TV? Especially in a circumstances where Georgian TV Channels are not broadcasted in Abkhazia and South Ossetia?

]]> By: sephia karta http://blogs.tol.org/conflicts/2008/05/02/what-a-speech-what-an-audience-and-what-results/#comment-2113 sephia karta Tue, 06 May 2008 22:45:11 +0000 http://blogs.tol.org/conflicts/2008/05/02/what-a-speech-what-an-audience-and-what-results/#comment-2113 It seems to me the most hopeful example of two sides growing closer to each other again would be Cyprus. It seems to me the most hopeful example of two sides growing closer to each other again would be Cyprus.

]]> By: Armenia & the South Caucasus | The Caucasian Knot » Blog Archive » Georgian President Addresses Breakaway Regions http://blogs.tol.org/conflicts/2008/05/02/what-a-speech-what-an-audience-and-what-results/#comment-1944 Armenia & the South Caucasus | The Caucasian Knot » Blog Archive » Georgian President Addresses Breakaway Regions Fri, 02 May 2008 11:39:16 +0000 http://blogs.tol.org/conflicts/2008/05/02/what-a-speech-what-an-audience-and-what-results/#comment-1944 [...] Steady State comments on a televised address given by Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili to inhabitants of the country’s two breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. However, the blog says that apart from at times of clashes, there is little actual dialogue occurring between the sides and that Saakashvili fails to understand one important reality. That is, that Abkhazians and South Ossetians show no sign of wanting to be reintegrated back into Georgia. Saakashvili underlined that the “reign of separatist, corrupted and criminal groups” is not a choice of the population living there — meaning that decisions against the Georgian statehood are made somewhere else. [...] […] Steady State comments on a televised address given by Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili to inhabitants of the country’s two breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. However, the blog says that apart from at times of clashes, there is little actual dialogue occurring between the sides and that Saakashvili fails to understand one important reality. That is, that Abkhazians and South Ossetians show no sign of wanting to be reintegrated back into Georgia. Saakashvili underlined that the “reign of separatist, corrupted and criminal groups” is not a choice of the population living there — meaning that decisions against the Georgian statehood are made somewhere else. […]

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Georgia: Saakashvili Addresses Breakaway Regions http://blogs.tol.org/conflicts/2008/05/02/what-a-speech-what-an-audience-and-what-results/#comment-1943 Global Voices Online » Georgia: Saakashvili Addresses Breakaway Regions Fri, 02 May 2008 11:36:53 +0000 http://blogs.tol.org/conflicts/2008/05/02/what-a-speech-what-an-audience-and-what-results/#comment-1943 [...] State comments on a televised address given by Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili to inhabitants of th.... However, the blog says that apart from at times of clashes, there is little actual dialogue [...] […] State comments on a televised address given by Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili to inhabitants of th…. However, the blog says that apart from at times of clashes, there is little actual dialogue […]

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