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	<title>Comments on: OSCE on the Elections in Georgia</title>
	<link>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/</link>
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		<title>By: Georgia&#8217;s Public Defender explains why all the mess in Georgia at TOL Georgia</title>
		<link>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-328</link>
		<author>Georgia&#8217;s Public Defender explains why all the mess in Georgia at TOL Georgia</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-328</guid>
		<description>[...] have written about these violations in the past. And how they didn&#8217;t influence the 3.4% with which Saakashvili avoided the second round [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] have written about these violations in the past. And how they didn&#8217;t influence the 3.4% with which Saakashvili avoided the second round [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: jibs</title>
		<link>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-286</link>
		<author>jibs</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-286</guid>
		<description>The opposition has not won, but the second round would be inevitable if not for those "challenges". More interesting is the exit polling controversy: the organizers were financed by the authorities, through their pocket Television stations -- Adjara, Rustavi 2, Mze and Georgian Public TV -- something that the opposition was against from the start. If the intention was to hold free and fair elections, this issue must have been agreed upon with the opposition. 

Even with those exit polls, which pitted Saakashvili's vicotry with 54%, 28% interviewed refused to disclosed who they would vote for. It doesn't take to be a rocket scientist to understand why someone would not disclose their choice. What would be result of exit poll if those people we counted in? The truth is that a lot of people are afraid of possible repressions from the authorities. 

I personally think Saakashvili is not a president yet. The opposition will not back down before the violations are investigated and are called the right name. Otherwise, I dont see how they could succeed in parliamentary elections, if similar "challenges" are observed and then overlooked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The opposition has not won, but the second round would be inevitable if not for those &#8220;challenges&#8221;. More interesting is the exit polling controversy: the organizers were financed by the authorities, through their pocket Television stations &#8212; Adjara, Rustavi 2, Mze and Georgian Public TV &#8212; something that the opposition was against from the start. If the intention was to hold free and fair elections, this issue must have been agreed upon with the opposition. </p>
<p>Even with those exit polls, which pitted Saakashvili&#8217;s vicotry with 54%, 28% interviewed refused to disclosed who they would vote for. It doesn&#8217;t take to be a rocket scientist to understand why someone would not disclose their choice. What would be result of exit poll if those people we counted in? The truth is that a lot of people are afraid of possible repressions from the authorities. </p>
<p>I personally think Saakashvili is not a president yet. The opposition will not back down before the violations are investigated and are called the right name. Otherwise, I dont see how they could succeed in parliamentary elections, if similar &#8220;challenges&#8221; are observed and then overlooked.</p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-285</link>
		<author>Onnik Krikorian</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-285</guid>
		<description>Right, if it was just the matter of a few kids going into the polling booths with their mothers it would be another matter, but it isn't. I know it sounds maybe strange to focus on this one aspect of what was reported by the international observers in their report, but even the abuse and exploitation of the number "5" is really, um, taking the piss. 

Unsophisticated and something that I would personally have hoped the international community have responded to by saying, "Misha... what the f**** are you up playing at? Do you think we're stupid?" I don't think that it was a mistake for the monitors to issues their conclusion when they did, however.

I am still somewhat confused as to how their report and their statement were almost two separate things. Almost like two different elections, in fact.

Now, I'm not saying that the opposition won. Some of what I'm hearing from Tbilisi is that many are surprised they did so well considering. However, what is interesting is that usually the international community says the ultimate conclusion and verdict is drawn by the population itself. 

And that's what the opposition is trying to do. That's part of the democratic process and actually, it might even be encouraging to see this happen although the international media reporting Misha's re-election prematurely was a little questionable. Yes, I almost fell for it as well, but anyway, things are still happening.

I'm not saying that the opposition won. I don't think there's any evidence for that. However, despite the administrative resources at his disposal, and the amount of illegalities even recorded by the OSCE, Saakashvili's victory is slight enough for there to be reason to examine the issue of recounts and so on.

Like I said, it's part of the democratic process, and it will be interesting to see if the opposition succeed in calling for a second round. However, that will have to be through lawful means. I mean, they have to have reason and evidence to call for the invalidation of ballots or recounts.

Let's see. Apparently there will be a rally called for Sunday and I'm tempted enough to maybe venture up to Tbilisi to see depending on what happens next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, if it was just the matter of a few kids going into the polling booths with their mothers it would be another matter, but it isn&#8217;t. I know it sounds maybe strange to focus on this one aspect of what was reported by the international observers in their report, but even the abuse and exploitation of the number &#8220;5&#8243; is really, um, taking the piss. </p>
<p>Unsophisticated and something that I would personally have hoped the international community have responded to by saying, &#8220;Misha&#8230; what the f**** are you up playing at? Do you think we&#8217;re stupid?&#8221; I don&#8217;t think that it was a mistake for the monitors to issues their conclusion when they did, however.</p>
<p>I am still somewhat confused as to how their report and their statement were almost two separate things. Almost like two different elections, in fact.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m not saying that the opposition won. Some of what I&#8217;m hearing from Tbilisi is that many are surprised they did so well considering. However, what is interesting is that usually the international community says the ultimate conclusion and verdict is drawn by the population itself. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s what the opposition is trying to do. That&#8217;s part of the democratic process and actually, it might even be encouraging to see this happen although the international media reporting Misha&#8217;s re-election prematurely was a little questionable. Yes, I almost fell for it as well, but anyway, things are still happening.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that the opposition won. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any evidence for that. However, despite the administrative resources at his disposal, and the amount of illegalities even recorded by the OSCE, Saakashvili&#8217;s victory is slight enough for there to be reason to examine the issue of recounts and so on.</p>
<p>Like I said, it&#8217;s part of the democratic process, and it will be interesting to see if the opposition succeed in calling for a second round. However, that will have to be through lawful means. I mean, they have to have reason and evidence to call for the invalidation of ballots or recounts.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see. Apparently there will be a rally called for Sunday and I&#8217;m tempted enough to maybe venture up to Tbilisi to see depending on what happens next.</p>
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		<title>By: jibs</title>
		<link>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-284</link>
		<author>jibs</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-284</guid>
		<description>Well thats what the opposition is fighting. I understand their concerns, and in fact they have very strong arguments. If half of the voting observed were faulty, then 2% margin is simply unfair. I don't see the compromise coming from the authroties after the west has sealed the results as democratic. It is a big mistake on their part. 

Moreover, these "challenges" were not of accidental character. I recall one of the observers, saying something like, such things happen in Europe all the time -- son goes into the ballot box with his old mother -- that is normal and understandable. NO -- these violations were far more serious! And telling Georgians that they should make sure that such things don't happen in the future is simply cynical. Next time there are elections, they will say exactly the same thing: "progress has been noted, but certain challenges remain"...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thats what the opposition is fighting. I understand their concerns, and in fact they have very strong arguments. If half of the voting observed were faulty, then 2% margin is simply unfair. I don&#8217;t see the compromise coming from the authroties after the west has sealed the results as democratic. It is a big mistake on their part. </p>
<p>Moreover, these &#8220;challenges&#8221; were not of accidental character. I recall one of the observers, saying something like, such things happen in Europe all the time &#8212; son goes into the ballot box with his old mother &#8212; that is normal and understandable. NO &#8212; these violations were far more serious! And telling Georgians that they should make sure that such things don&#8217;t happen in the future is simply cynical. Next time there are elections, they will say exactly the same thing: &#8220;progress has been noted, but certain challenges remain&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-283</link>
		<author>dam</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-283</guid>
		<description>Apparently, the international community was grading this election on a pass/fail system. How someone could look at the OSCE report and not understand the protest of the Georgian opposition is beyond me.  I guess that shows how low the bar was set in order for this to be declared a successful election.  On the other hand, the opposition has not acquitted itself very well in all of this either.  Unfortunately, the Georgian people are the real losers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, the international community was grading this election on a pass/fail system. How someone could look at the OSCE report and not understand the protest of the Georgian opposition is beyond me.  I guess that shows how low the bar was set in order for this to be declared a successful election.  On the other hand, the opposition has not acquitted itself very well in all of this either.  Unfortunately, the Georgian people are the real losers.</p>
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		<title>By: Saakashvili is more than satisfied at TOL Georgia</title>
		<link>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-279</link>
		<author>Saakashvili is more than satisfied at TOL Georgia</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-279</guid>
		<description>[...] About       &#171; OSCE on the Elections in Georgia [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] About       &laquo; OSCE on the Elections in Georgia [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-278</link>
		<author>Onnik Krikorian</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-278</guid>
		<description>Sad. Very sad, and it would appear that there is every reason for the opposition to protest against the official results of the election. Even in Armenia I’ve never seen a preliminary report quite like this one. Indeed, if such a report were to be issued here it would actually mark regression and not progress in terms of democratization. I’m speechless, shocked and very disappointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad. Very sad, and it would appear that there is every reason for the opposition to protest against the official results of the election. Even in Armenia I’ve never seen a preliminary report quite like this one. Indeed, if such a report were to be issued here it would actually mark regression and not progress in terms of democratization. I’m speechless, shocked and very disappointed.</p>
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		<title>By: Armenian News, Analysis &#38; Photography &#8212; Oneworld Multimedia :: Georgia: Presidential Election Aftershock :: January :: 2008</title>
		<link>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-277</link>
		<author>Armenian News, Analysis &#38; Photography &#8212; Oneworld Multimedia :: Georgia: Presidential Election Aftershock :: January :: 2008</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-277</guid>
		<description>[...] election in the country, enabling the Georgian people to express their political choice,&#8221; TOL Georgia has since read the much longer preliminary [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] election in the country, enabling the Georgian people to express their political choice,&#8221; TOL Georgia has since read the much longer preliminary [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Georgia: Presidential Election Update</title>
		<link>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-276</link>
		<author>Global Voices Online &#187; Georgia: Presidential Election Update</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.tol.org/georgia/2008/01/06/osce-on-the-elections-in-georgia/#comment-276</guid>
		<description>[...] of writing, the blog has just dissected the preliminary report from the OSCE/ODIHR Election Observation Mission (EOM) and identifies some of the &#8220;significant challenges&#8221; which &#8220;which need to be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of writing, the blog has just dissected the preliminary report from the OSCE/ODIHR Election Observation Mission (EOM) and identifies some of the &#8220;significant challenges&#8221; which &#8220;which need to be [&#8230;]</p>
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